Pavilion - Exploring Seth's Concepts
"All That Is"
By Kirk Bays
Here's a big quote from "The Seth Material" by Jane
Roberts that I read the other day and that blew my mind. Chapter 18, The God Concept.
"When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is
knows no other. This does not mean there may not be more to know. It does not know whether
or not other psychic gestalts like It may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist.
It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary
dilemma when It could not express Itself. It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in
your terms, so long ago that It has forgotten It's origin, that It has developed from
still another Primary which has -again, in your terms- long since gone It's way. So there
are answers I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we
have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation
continues and developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of
which we are unaware, the same is true."
Basically what I want to know is, 'ATI knows no other... this does not mean there is not
more to know...' Well how can then be if it's ATI? The entire session was mind boggling,
talking about _nonbeing_ and the like... but this especially, because the... well,
assumptions from Seth as he says this are extraordinary. For instance that other _All That
Is's_ could exist of which ours doesn't know of. Doesn't that defy the definition of All
That Is? And that it could forget it's origin... isn't that origin happening, now? Can't
it relive it as it lives/ relives our own lives through us? And that something else 'went
it's own way' and that we can't find it, or even know if it exists.... what a mindfuck.
It knows that something else existed before itself... something that in essence it was
spawned from. Something of which we aren't a part of now. Now, I thought that All That Is
represented, literally, every infinite of conceivable expression. That without time for a
beginning or an end, and with infiniteness within itself to explore, and the exploration
of itself was the purpose of itself which would take up infinite or no time. And that that
was all there is... because it was by definition all that could be. How could it be any
Of course I guess that within every possible expression within an infinite there
could be psychic gestalts that didn't know each other and were basically gods... but then,
they would only be parts of a greater All That Is on a grander scale that didn't know each
other, like we purposefully ignore parts of ourselves, right? Fine, but wouldn't Seth
understand that? Wouldn't he deduce that? Why would he choose to believe in this instead?
And the way he says it, like 'this is the way it is and it's unchangeable...' wouldn't
there be other ways it could be? other options, probabilities? Of course his All That Is
contained within it all probabilities, but what about the probability that if there is
something else then our All That Is finds/ knows it? If it's conceivable then it's true
right? Every possible expression exists? And if so then through that possibility ATI would
know this other... and Seth says it doesn't. But it still searches ... but if it's ever to
find it in the 'future', then it already would have found it because the 'future' is now,
and there is no 'future', right?
Or is Seth saying that every possible expression of things hasn't been played out
yet? That there is still things, futures, unexplored, things not yet done? But how can
this be with an infinite being and simultaneous time? Have I thoroughly confused everyone
that read this far or just myself? Is anyone else as baffled as me?
Kirk Bays email@example.com
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